Episode 69 – Scott Graham

That’s really cool, man. I’m happy to be episode 69. So- So everything that we just said is in it Yeah, 100%. We’re rolling already? We’re rolling Perfect. Okay. Episode 69-coming to you live. Dude, I almost just went too far. Can I say something that- No. in the right context, I think is not something you’ll have to edit out? Edit that. Create the bubble that you want to live in, and then live in that bubble. I bet your whole audience is like, “Please be less fun and more serious. “Yeah. Yeah. That’s probably what they’re all thinking. They checked out a long time ago on his interviews. They’re commenting right now, “Less fun. “Lame. Yeah. Send. We’ll do movies on the next one. I’ll be ready. Oh, you want to do this- If, if you’re- You want to do part 3? if you’re having me back. I will do, dude, I’ll do a part 40 with you. Whoa!Yeah. All right. I’m down. I would love to, if you’re dumb enough to have me back here over and over. Yeah. Well, let’s see how this one does. Let’s see if this one’s even registers in our- Have we both been doing this the whole show? I hope so. Just have our feet up and flicking our little ankles around. We’re just little 12-year-olds the whole time, just kicking around. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to The Blueprint. Today I have Scott Graham, part 2. You’re crazy, man. I can’t believe you had me on here twice. I know. So anyways, this guy’s here to tell us, there’s been some stuff that’s happened with him and, uh, we’re gonna go a little off the rails today. So if you guys can just bear with us, have fun. Uh, we’re gonna talk about many other topics other, ’cause we’ve already heard his story, but we’re gonna elaborate a little bit on what’s happening that’s new, but we’re gonna get crazy. So stay tuned. And do me a favor, if you guys could hit that subscribe button at the bottom, it’s really gonna help me tell more of these stories and it’s gonna get more, uh, of these people out in front of you. So, I love you. Scott, thank you. Thank you so much for coming back to the show. Thank you. you. Thank you for having me. Thank you. Thank you very much. No, I mean, honestly, like, the last podcast that we did, I had so much fun in that one, and, uh, there were some topics that we talked about that were just complete nonsense, which is really more of my personality anyways. Same. And, uh, we kind of clicked when it came to that. So I thought- Yeah. of everyone that I’ve done, uh- We’ve, you’ve never done me, just for the record. Well, mark that. Okay. Um, I saved this episode for you. This specifically is your episode. Oh, that’s a lot of pressure, man. I’m not that good at this. Do you know what number episode this is? I don’t, but can I take just like a random- Go. swing in the dark? Um, 200 and- Way too high. 100- Imagine you’re 12 years old. Now take a guess. Imagine you’re 12 years old and take a guess. Number 85. You’re 69, buddy. This is episode 69 guys. I’m episode 69? And I saved it for you. Man. It’s an honor. I’m serious. Thank, I mean, you’re gonna make me tear up, man. Well, let’s see it. I can’t man. Squeeze it out. I can’t, can’t. Uh, no, that’s really cool, man. I’m happy to be episode 69. We don’t have to actuallyThis is in here. This is in here, for sure. Okay. All right. No, this is in it. All right. So- So everything that we just said is in it? Yeah, 100%. We’re rolling already? We’re rolling. Perfect. Okay. Episode 69-coming to you live. Anyway, so we wanted to talk a little bit more about, uh, some of the things that you’ve beenUh, I mean, I went to your shop. I’ll, I’ll be honest. When I was introduced to you, it was through a mutual friend. We had dinner and the guy was like, “Hey, come talk to this guy. He’s you, except-” Way better looking and cooler and taller and- “except older and-“more humble. ” less humble and-” Yeah. ” way further, he’s more successful than you are, Brandon, and all these other things. “Yeah. Which I didn’t believe that, but, uh, at the end of the day, I, I went to your shop and I saw this thing, and it is insane. Thanks, man. Yeah, it’s 18 years in the making, man. We, uh, actually, my wife and I drove by Pinpoint’s first office from 2007. We drove by there maybe about a week, week and a half ago. And it’s, it’s surreal to see that, you know? Yeah. Um, how much, yes, hard work, but how much luck had to strike. And, and, you know, we’re not a massive business. You know, we’re- You’re pretty massive. We’re, we’re as, about as big as I’d like to get. Okay. You know, which is, I know sounds stupid, but, um, you know, I want to, I want to be around and hang out with my kids and my wife. You and I have had these conversations many times. You know, I think that there’s a difference between being satisfied and being complacent- Right. But, um, yeah, we drove by the old office, the first one, um- Yeah. that my dad and I started the business in- Mm-hmm. in 2007. Yeah. And it’s, it’s really cool to kind of have that hindsight, and it’s also a little bit of PTSD- Yeah. looking back at all the stuff that you go through and- Sleepless nights. how many near misses and maydays there were and sleep, yeah, sleeping at the office- Yeah. and this and that. ButPretty cool, man. This, this place is ridiculous. Thanks. Yeah. Part of the journey, man. I am, I’m really excited about this location we’re in. Uh, it’s been, been really cool to see it come to fruition, man. And, and, and honestly, like, when you put a piece of yourself into something and then it reflects your personality or your drive, or episode- 69. When you, when you, I’m gonna rephrase it. When a piece of your heart- Hmm. ends up, uh, showing up in, in your business, uh, it’s really cool to be a part of that. And, uh, you know, as we go through this, like, I don’t know, man. This is gonna be just another part of my story, and I see you, like, you’re 18 years down the line. I’m half. Yeah. You know what I mean? It’s like, it’s really kind of crazy to see the difference in, in, like, where you’ve been, and, and, and honestly blown away by, by your place down there. It was- Thanks, dude. very impressive, honestly. I appreciate it, man. The building from the outside, aesthetically-Beautiful. Thank you. Walked in, very organized. You have tons of stuff going on. Talk- talk a little bit about that, just so people understand what Pinpoint Merch is all about, because- Yeah, yeah. For sure. So, um, Pinpoint Merchandising, website’s pinpointmerch. com. We do apparel, merchandise and accessories design-manufacturing and importation and distributionYeah. This- I’ve said this a few times now. Yeah. For a shitload of brands that aren’t clothing brands. Yeah. Right? So we work with a bunch of brands in outdoor, hunting/fishing, food and beverage, entertainment, a lot of comedians, musicians. But the commonality is that these brands want to sell product or give away product occasionally, typically sell product that is not just a Port Authority polo with a logo embroidered on the- like, they want cool stuff, you know? Um, even Buc-ee’s. You know, the Buc-ee’s stuff has been relatively simple, but we’ve been able to elevate it with some cool design and stuff like that. So, um, so yeah. We work with little bit under 100 different brands, um, uh, everything from CrossFit to Black Rifle Coffee, Montana Knife Company, Buc-ee’s, um, we- and just design and manufacture their stuff. You know, these- Yeah. these guys lean on us to design what’s called cut and sew apparel. Mm-hmm. Where as opposed to just buying a garment off the s- off the shelf and putting a logo on it, which we do a little bit of that here and there- Yeah. if it’s a time crunch. But lion’s share of our business is we’re making the fabric from scratch, the trims, the fit. I’m a big dork for trim details- Mm-hmm. like putting logos in zipper pulls and button snaps and all that. So, our- our customers lean on us to design that stuff and make sure it doesn’t suck and bring it over and help ’em distribute it. The really cool thing about that too is that, honestly, when I was over there, all the material is top-notch. All of the- the way things are built, from thinking about the brand, not just creating a garment. And like I said, a lot of people are used to going and buying swag from people, and, “Hey, can I get a hat embroidered? “And go find something and ship it and give it to the embroiderer orYeah. Go to Alphabroder or something and buy- Yeah. a ton of shirts and give ’em to a screen printer to get your logo put on it or whatever, right? And so, uh, people are used to that. Yeah. But the difference between that and- and you is I pick the quality of my shirt, I pick the style of my shirt, I pick, uh, the cut of my shirt- Yeah. you know? And then we go from there, you know, at that point. You know, it is very different than, “Man, I got these shirts, but they were $3 apiece and now they shrunk in the dryer, and oh, they end up shorter than I wanted or boxy or whatever. “Right, right. And it’s like, “These are crap shirts and I gave ’em away and they don’t work. “That used to be a much bigger problem on theSo what you’re describing is called off-shelf, right? Mm-hmm. Where we’re- you’re- you’re buying garments off the shelf and then imprinting ’em or embroidering ’em. And you know, when we do that we still- well, you know, we’ll print custom neck tags into the back. It’ll look private label. Yeah. Um, early on, 2007, 2008, 2009, unless you were selling your kidney to buy American Apparel- Time out. What are you doing right there? What’s going on? Um, just making sure that- that, uh, I have, uh, one of these in my mouth. What is that? This is a- it’s a WYN, W-Y-N. It’s like ZENs but for dudes. “But for dudes. “Yeah. That’s a- it’s a- somebody just laughUh, it’s a 10 milligram. But I’m about to have to switch over to this brand called ALP, uh, which is Tucker Carlson’s brand- Yeah. Mm-hmm. because we’re gonna be doing some stuff with those guys. But there’s one s- shell station by my house that sells those. Mm-hmm. Uh, it’s banana flavor. Mm. Go ahead. Standard. Mm. What episode is this? 69. That’s right. Well, I like them f- I like- I only like pouches that are flavored after phallically shaped foods. And nobody wants a cucumber nicotine pouch , right? Ah. All right. So, it’s also something for me to fidget with. What was I saying? You were talking about what you bring to the table with your clothing. Ah. Yes. So the blanks industry used to be, you know, it was GILDAN and Hanes and Beefy T, this and that. Level L- LevelUp. And then it started to get a lot better with brands like Next Level Apparel- Mm-hmm. Bella+Canvas. There’s a brand out there right now called AS Color that crushes it that I’m sure you’re familiar with. Yep. Um, but it’s crowded. Mm-hmm. There’s a l- like, you can blindfold yourself in any major metro and spin around in a circle and point to- print to 50 different companies that can slap ink on existing blanks. Yeah. And when we started the business, I was 24. And, um, I’m 42 now. Um, but when we started- Old. YeahYou know, you look at what everyone else is doing. Mm-hmm. You know, just to kinda get a sense of what you should be doing. Mm-hmm. And we’d go to trade shows, and everything was speed, speed, speed. “Oh, we can get this to you in 2 weeks. We can, we can get this printed and out the door in 15 days. “And was like, “Well, shit, I guess that’s what I’m supposed to be selling on, is speed. “And- But because you’re selling on speed, everybody’s selling the same thing. You know? Like, it’s, everybody has the same blanks. And I started finding after the first few years that, like, these brands that we were working with, which, um, you know, started to get more and more progressively, uh, impressive over time, right? Initially, you know, you kinda take what you can get- Mm-hmm. until you get some skin on the wall. But even the smaller brands, they were tired of all the same crap. Mm-hmm. You know? And it was likeSo then I saw this whole side of the industry called cut & sew that was s- it’s super daunting. I mean, it’s extremely complicated and everything. But I finally just said, “Okay, well, what would happen if we just said, ‘Fuck speed’? “We don’t care about speed. We’re gonna go to our customers and say, “Hey, we’re gonna make you something that takes forever to produce, literally like 120 days. “Mm-hmm. UmBut it’ll be good. But it’s gonna be rad. Yeah. Yeah. It’s gonna be completely custom. Um, we’re gonna make custom camo patterns and custom prints. Mm-hmm. And the liner of your jackets are gonna have your branding. Like, it’sSo we dabbled with that. I went to a couple customers and I was like, “Hey, I need you to be my guinea pig. I’m gonna try this overseas manufacturing thing. “And fell on my face a few times. Um, they were cool, and let me figure it out. And, and we started offering it more broadly. Um, and now that’s 90% of our business, is cut & sew. And I love it, man. I mean, it’s fun. And when you start to build these out, I mean, you talk about the process is very different from building out for someone who wants something very special- Right. to somebody who wants something, mm, you know, screen printed or logo slapped or whatever, right? Yep. Um, from the fir- from the, the easier process, you, you buy a blank you like and then you do the art and you make a screen- Yeah. and you run it, right? Which, you can do badass stuff doing that. Sure. You know? You get a good creative person involved, and there’s a lot’Cause I’m not, I’m not, you know, I’m not- You’re mudding it. pulling off-shelf through the mud or anything. Yeah. There’s, there’s a lot of cool product. You’re mud- You what? You’re mudding it. right. Yeah. Well, in comparison. In comparison. Yes. No, but honestly, like, uh, there is some, some really cool things that you can do in that. But you are doing things, um, uh, that are a little less, you know, have some freedom to do, right? And so from locations to, uh, the types of thread you use, and I mean, everything all the way down the line. Yeah. You pick a shirt out, you order it, you get 500 of them here, you give them to somebody, they run it, and you get it back, right? Right. With you building outLet’s say I wanted to come to you and I, and I wanted to build- I don’t know. a hoodie. Mm-hmm. Or let’s say a jacket, right? You’re gonna talk to me about what options when we go to start building this jacket out. You’re gonna say what kind of cut? How do we start? Yep. Um, I typically like to get people to the office. Yup. Because, you know, on a Zoom call, we can sit in our showroom and hold up this fabric and be like, “Hey, this is the right fabric for your jacket,” use your example, “trust me. “Mm-hmm. But they need to touch and feel it, you know? Mm-hmm. So, um, I always tell our customers, like, “If you just fly out for a day”- Mm-hmm. “we’ll get 6 months of work done- Yeah. in one day. “Mm-hmm. Right? So just come out for a day, we’ll put them up in a hotel, we’ll go get dinner that night. Um, and we do this a few times a month with our customers, you know? And then we’ll, we’ll sit in the showroom and just brainstorm and look at fabrics and trims. And, um, we’ll look at market samples online, what’s the industry doing? You know, an example is, um, that we just did couple days ago is Benelli. Mm-hmm. They’re a shotgun brand. Um, they’re like the Ferrari of shotguns, like literally. Literally. Mm-hmm. I mean, they’re from th- it’s through Italy and everything. But, um, you know, they wanted to do a hoodie. But they didn’t want just a hoodie with a screen print on the chest. Like, they wanted something sweet that was functional for when you’re out hunting. They wanted a shotgun patch. The, a what? Shoulder patch. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, they, uhThey got one. There’sYou don’t s- we don’t sell a whole lot of padded shoulder stuff- I don’t know. to these shotgun brands. I don’t know. UmMaybe on the inside? Maybe on the lady stuff. Oh, okay, cool. Yeah. Actually, yes, on the lady stuff we do. Okay. Um, but no, they wanted something to where it’s warm- Mm-hmm. but if it starts raining you’re not gonnaYou know? So we did a, we put together a concept that we just are about to put into production for a super heavyweight cotton hoodie. Mm-hmm. But we got rid of the draw cords off of it, um, and then we lined the entire hood and the shoulder yokes and the back yokes with a waterproof ripstop nylon. Okay. Yeah. So, um, on the, on the exterior of it, right? Mm-hmm. So if you’re in your duck blind and it starts raining, you know, you’re not gonna get drenched. UmAnd you talked about the locations just then. Why did you do it in just those locations? Just from where the water’s gonna fall- Okay. if it’s raining. Yeah. And then instead of doing- I mean, if you do the whole hoodie, it’s gonna, it’s not gonna breathe too well. You’re gonna sweat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? Yeah. So you’re thinking about the experience that someone’s gonna live through. Yeah. Instead of buying something off the shelf, they’re not gonna have that type of experience. You’re thinking about- Yeah, that stuff doesn’t exist off shelf. Yeah. You can go toNow that stuff exists out there in retail brands, you know? Like you can go KUIU and SITKA and get really beautiful hunting apparel. Mm-hmm. But it’s expensive. Yeah. You know? And you’re not gonna, they’re not gonna resell it, right? So, um, a lot of these brands want to have their own-You know, it’s always a secondary offering- Mm-hmm. which I prefer. I don’t love working with clothing brands because- Mm-hmm. it’s very stressful. Mm-hmm. It’s emotionally heavy. Yeah. If, you know, if a shipment gets delayed and they’ve got a launch scheduled for this collection and it’s delayed, for whatever reason, it got held in customs or we had to r- fix something or whatever it may be, I mean, that throws ’em for a loop ’cause it’s their core business, you know? Whereas, if it’s an ancillary revenue s-If you’re Montana Knife Company and you’ve got a waxed canvas jacket that’s 2 weeksThis just happened. Mm-hmm. That’s 2 weeks l- behind, you don’t care. Like, I call ’em and I’m like, “Hey, man, your, your jacket’s a couple weeks late. “I don’t, I don’t care. We’ll sell it when you get here. Yeah. They soldI wanna say they sold 600 of these waxed canvas puff jackets that we made them, um, in less than 10 minutes. That brand isI mean, for, for anybody out there that’s, like, into brands- Yeah. look up Montana Knife Company if you’re not already familiar. That company is, um, s- founded and run by some really good people that really know what they’re doing. And, um, it’s all knives made in Montana, but they’re sold out of knives constantly. Mm-hmm. You know? They can’t make en- enough knives to keep stock. Mm-hmm. Um, so while they’re sold out of knives, they’re selling a bunch of cut & sew apparel that we produce for them. Mm-hmm. Um, and yeah. I texted him ’cause I saw it sold out online and I was like, “There’s no way. “Right? Like, every size was just X’d out. And I text him. I was like, “Dude, did you already sell all those jackets? “And he goes, “They vaporized in less than 10 minutes-” That’s crazy. is what he said. So, um, I don’t know. I already f- I s- chased a squirrel and forgot what I was saying. You’re 2 weeks late. Yeah, I’m 2 weeks late, and he didn’tHe don’t care. Yeah. They’re like, “Yeah, it’s fine. I’m busy selling knives. This is-” Yeah. ” this is secondary. “You know? Yeah. SoAnd when I, and when I get, you know, time with each of the customers, it’s fun for them. Mm-hmm. E- everybody loves working on the merch for their business. Yeah. You know? So you get the good side of everybody. You know, I’m not out there selling payroll services or corporate insurance orNot that there’s anything wrong with those categories, but- Mm-mm. people really enjoy talking merch. And then there’s also something that, uh, you deliver through them or through to the supplier is a tech pack. Talk about a tech pack just for a minute. Yeah. So, um, the customer seesI, I wish I brought examples, but- Come on, man. I know. I’m not prepared. Be better. Eh, if it was Episode 70, I’d have had ’em. Um, the customer sees what we call sexy cats. Yeah. Right? So that’s our design team illustrating the garment, illustrating a little bit of the flow of the fabric and- Mm-hmm. having call-outs for, “Hey, there’s a PVC patch here and a custom-molded zipper pull here,” and, you know, showing a view of the jacket opened up so you can see the liner and all that. But it’s not a tech pack, right? And the, and our c- our customers don’t want to see tech packs. They’re, they’re like, “Just make it cool,” you know? “Just do it. “Um, but what our factory sees is called a tech pack. So there’s a gal on my team that’s been with me for forever. HerShe’s awesome. Her name’s Whitney. 18 years. Um, Feels like it. Gosh, she’s gonna watch this and be like, “How do you not know how long? “A long time. I’m gonna say plus or minus 10 years. Yeah. 10 years plus or minus. Plus or -1 year. Pl- yes. At least, at least one year, but less than 100. She’s been here all week for sure, but it feels like 300. Less than 100. Yeah. Um, so she puts together the tech pack, which is essentially the recipe. Yeah. Uh, she and her team. But they, they put together the recipe for how the garment is cooked. Yeah. You know, these factories areI don’t know if I said this on the last episode or not, but the f-these factories are very, very good instruction followers- Mm-hmm. and very bad decision makers. 100%. Like, if I, uh, you know, if you don’t give ’em the measurements on exactly the arm, the arm opening, the sleeve opening on for that T-shirt you’re wearing, it’s gonna come back looking like a crop top. Mm-hmm. You know? And with, with sleeves that you k- that are, like, JNCO sleeves. Yeah. Like, they’ll findBut if you give ’em all the directiveSo these tech packs are multi-page documents that call out every stitch, every detail, every measurement, everyThe TCX colors, which is Pantone’s fabric color code system- Mm-hmm. the TCX colors for every fabric and the fabric weight. Like, all of theEvery tiny detail that you could poss-And it’s, it’ll make your eyeballs bleed if you look through one of ’em. I mean, I’m, been doing it almost 20 years, and I still look through ’em and it’s like reading hieroglyphics. Um- Well, I’m a little older than you are, so not very much, but a lot. umYeah. And I’ve never heard of TCX colors before. I’ve done Pantone colors my entire career, I’ve done so many garments, I’ve done so much stuff. I’ve never even heard of that. Yep. I’ve got homework to do. Yeah. TCX, um, is theSo that you use a Pantone C book- Yeah. or a Pantone U book. Mm-hmm. Probably typically C. Mm-hmm. Coded. Um, well, they have a whole separate set of colors called TCX. Mm-hmm. And that’s what they use when you’re actually dying fabric. So, if we, you know, if we put together a tech pack for this hat that I’m wearing, we’re getting a TCX code for anything that’s made out of fabric. The green underneath and all that. But then we’re b- giving PMS colors for anything that’s not made out of fabric. great. Yeah. And it’sYou have to sell your other kidney to buy those TCX binders. I mean, you’re talking like over 15 grand- They’re crazy. for this set of, I want to say it’s like 6, sev- It’s crazy how often you say “six, 7. “Yeah. That’s one thing I’ve realized with this incredibly annoying trend, is that like- What is that? I don’t even know and no one knows, but you say “six or seven” all the time. Yeah, but what is that? I have no- When you have a 10-year-old daughter and a 12-year-old daughter, I’m like, “Oh, it’s like 6 or 7 binders. “They’re like, “Hey!6, 7!”You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then you want to jump off of a cliff. Are you, are you tired of it? Um, I’ll get tiredI get, IYes. Yes, I’m tired of it. You know what I love about that trend? I have kids so, umI love trends that come out and as soon as they hit, like, everyone at like, the kids are trying to do these jokes or whatever. And, you know, I don’t like to jump in and try to play it the way it’s supposed to be played. Mm. I like to dad joke it pretty heavily. You have to. Oh, man. It’s your, it’s literally in the job description. Which is, which is the definitionWhen you dad joke things, people think you’re being corny but what you’re really doing is kicking it square in the junk. Mm-hmm. You know? And it’s like, you do these on purpose to make sure that people hear this and go, “Oh. “Yeah. And that’s like, when you get that, you’re like, “Yeah. “Yeah. Right? Yeah. And then just whipping it to death until it’s uncool. It’s funny that you say “whipping it”. So, the way I do it is I wait until it’s already been uncool- Yeah. for at least a year. Yeah. And then I’ll wait til my daughter’s friends are around-and I’ll be like, “Hey, did you guys hear about that new thing all these kids are doing? “”It’s really weird. They’re all going like this. “Or I’ll be like, “It’s this new dance where you like, you whip, and then you nay-nay. “You know? And it’s like, it’s 5 years ago. Yeah. It’s really cringey. It’s my favorite. And I like, but I also like to ruin things that are relevant at the time. Yeah. Like when skibidi was a thing? Yeah. I said skibidi before everything. Yeah. Just to make them roll their eyes and hopefully not say it. Which is your point. That’s exactly, that’s exactly what I’m trying to do is to- Yeah. show you how dumb trends are- Yeah. by making my own elaboration of this thing. Yeah. And you think that’s dumb, so now when you relate to it, saying it the next time, it’s, it’s dumb for you too. When they get older, I’m gonna take the same approach to their boys. Mm-hmm. To the boys that they date. Mm-hmm. If I don’t like them, I’m just gonna make fun of them. I’m not gonna be like, “Hey, listen. “Yeah. “I really don’t like Steve. “Yeah. “I don’t want you to see Steve anymore. “Yeah. I’m just gonna make fun of Steve. I can’t wait for it. Yeah. It’s gonna be awesome. It’s gonna be, yeah. You know, and, and I know, another thing I’m gonna do is when my kids have kids, I’m gonna teach them all the things they’re not supposed to know, right? I’m gonna be that guy. Yeah. I’m gonna give them too much ice cream, drink Cokes at midnight. Yeah. We’re gonna go with Red Bulls. Yeah. We’re gonna be doing, and I’m gonna- Yeah. pack them up and send them back home goofballed up, right? Yeah. I’m gonna teach them, you know- How to shoot their first-bad words and- Their first heroin. how to, how to throw poop in a bag and set it on fire on the porch. Yeah. You know, ring the doorbell, run off. Yeah. Toilet paper a house, egg a house. We’re gonna do that. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. You know? 100%. I feel like you glazed over my heroin thing. I was just kidding. I didn’t hear you say heroin. Oh, yeah. You’re gonna give them their first shot of heroin. I’m gonna pass on that one. All right. Well, we’ll move on then. Yeah, that one. Too far. Yeah. Kind of story of my life. You know, Black Rifle Coffee is one of my customers. Mm-hmm. And any time I’m with them, I hope they don’t see this episode. any time I’m with them, they’re like, “Hey, you want a cup of coffee? “And I’m like, “Yeah, for sure. “Mm-hmm. And they go, “How do you take it? “And I’m like, “Black. “Give it to me, I like just black. Because if you say anything other than that, it’s like, “All right-” You’re not a man. strike against you. Yeah. You know, like a dude, a man drinks black coffee. Yeah. When they’re not around, I like c- I like cream in there. I like stevia. Yeah. Right? Yeah. I’m, I’m, I’m not quite like a flavored guy necessarily- Yeah. but, umIt’s not a, it’s not a popular opinion in a manly world, but- Mm-hmm. black coffee’s gross, dude. It’s like, uh, just going hard at it. Yeah. You know what I mean? It’s like, just to prove that you’re tough. Yeah. You know? It’s like, “I don’t need to prove I’m tough. “It’s like drinking s- It’s like drinking your whiskey without an ice cube. Like, “Well, this is what they do in the movies. “Like, “Okay. “Dude, put an ice cube in that bitch. Yeah. Look how much better it gets. Yeah. Just let itAnd do this. Yeah. You know? I swirl it with my finger. Get one of those little cube ball- Yeah. or those, uh, sphere balls. Sphere, oh, sphere ones? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, that’s good, man. I’m, I’m, uh, I’m excited about that. But going back to the tech pack and everything else that we got to that, so we’ll just put a bow on that and then we’re gonna go scattershooting, if that’s okay with you. Yeah, let’s do it. Um, you said that 120 days is kind of what it normally takes to supply your type of clients. Mm-hmm. Right? Where are you going to get this stuff? Is this on the moon? Are you going to getYou know, why is it so special it’s got to be 120 days? China. China? Yeah. All of China. All of our production, overseas production, with a couple exceptions. We do a little bit in Turkey, um, but, um, and we do some in Vietnam for, for, you know, there’s brands that we work with where, you know, they just will not produce in China. Mm-hmm. Um, so we’ll produce those in Vietnam but they willingly pay 15-20% more. Mm-hmm. Um- Is it 15 or 20% more to go to those other places? Yeah, because here’s the thing, dude. Let’s say that that T-shirt, those jeans that you’re wearing, let’s say they say made in El Salvador. Mm-hmm. Maybe not El Salvador, that’s a bad example. Let’s say they say made in Cambodia. That fabric’s made in China. Mm-hmm. So then over and then over. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you’re making, you’re stillAll the raw material manufacturing, all the mills, dye houses, all the trim manufacturing, all that stuff’s in China. Mm-hmm. And, m- the country of origin label that goes into a garment is driven by where the, what’s called the major transformation happens, which in clothing is cutting and sewing. Mm-hmm. Right? So a lot of the made in the USA stuff that you see- Mm-hmm. cut and sewn in the USA which is freaking expensive and that’s why it’s- Yeah. But the fabrics, they’re made in China, you know. There are some fabric mills, like Toray- Mm-hmm. is a really good mill out of Japan. Mm-hmm. And they make beautiful fabric and it’s expensive. Yeah. Super expensive. Um, you know, the China thing is, the human beings that I work with in China- Mm-hmm. that run the factories or own the factories, they’re all just like me and you, dude. Yeah. Like, they’re good people. They care about their families. They want to run a good business, they want to make cool stuff. Mm-hmm. They want to hang out with their wife and kids. Yep. Or their husband and their kids. Um, I’ve got my own thoughts on the CCP, right? Um, but the reality is that in the ’80s, ’90s, when all these manufacturers on the, all- all these brands started moving their manufacturing overseas, it was driven by the consumer. Mm-hmm. Wanting to pay less, wanting to pay less. Well, these brands have to compete, especially when things start getting commoditized where everybody’s sewing more or less the same thing. Mm-hmm. And you stop s- you stop competing on product or differentiation, you have to start competing on price. So it’s like, “Well, how do we get our cogs down? How do we get our cogs down? “Our parents, when they hear made in China, they’re like- Mm-hmm. “Oh, it’s a piece of shit. “Yeah. You know, because back then- It was. it was. Yeah. It was. But now, I mean, we- we’ve seen decades of innovation over there. Mm-hmm. And not complete dismantling of the garment industry in the US, like there’s some still- still some stuff in LA, the Carolinas have some good mills for, like, T-shirt fabric, fleece, things like that. Mm-hmm. But more or less, the garment industry in the co- in our country is gone. Mm-hmm. You know, like we’re- we’re not, we’re- we’re worried about other things besides who’s gonna make your T-shirt and your jacket, you know. Mm-hmm. Um, and China’s just gotten so good at it, man. Mm-hmm. Like all the machinery that they have, and the talent that they have, and the, uh, the systems that they have in place, and you know, the, even just like how regional it is to where like specific types of garments, you know, the fabric mill for that garment is here and then down the street is the dye house and then down the street is the cutting faci- It’s just, that’s where our stuff’s gonna get made. Mm-hmm. And it is what it is, you know. Um, we did a th- couple things in Mexico in ’22 and ’23, long sob story I’ll spare you of, but, um, that failed, um, mainly because of me, because I made some dumb decisions on scale. Mm-hmm. Um, but, you know, we were still having to produce all of our raw materials in China. Yeah. And ship them all the way down to the coast, into Manzanillo on the west side of Mexico. Mm-hmm. Truck them into Chihuahua to this factory that we built. That Pinpoint owned. Try to do the cutting and sewing which it’s all brand new cutting machinery and sewing machinery and everything and, but we’re- we’re still relying on China. Mm-hmm. You know? Unless- unless we’re just gonna make T-shirts and hoodies going forward. Yeah. There’s plenty of mills in Central and South America for T-shirts and hoodie fabric. Mm-hmm. Um, but when you’re doing a lot of- Nylon. insulated nylon puff jackets- Mm-hmm. and things like that, like, dude, Asia’s where it’s at. That’s where that stuff’s made. Mm-hmm. You know? And so you’re saying the other places that, w- where are some potential, I h- I heard of other places that are starting to pick up as well. Cambodia, Vietnam, Taiwan. Yeah. Um, anyone that’s geographically close to the raw material hubs- Mm-hmm. in China. Mm-hmm. Problem is that they’re soaked up by Lulu, Nike, Under Armor, Puma, you know, like all the major brands. Mm-hmm. Those factories are at capacity. Mm-hmm. They don’t want my 600 piece jacket order. Yeah. They want the 60,000 piece jacket order. Right. You know? whereas ChinaSo everything that we do is called small batch, right? Mm-hmm. Like, with a couple excep- like this T-shirt right here? Mm-hmm. I don’t think Buc-ee’s would mind me sharing 240,000 pieces- Mm-hmm. of that T-shirt. So that’s a few. That’s a lot. Yeah. Right? I mean, like, a fewI, I, I called them the other day and I was like, “Do y’all realize that if you were to take Cowboy Stadium and fill every single seat and put the s- put that T-shirt on every single person-” Could you do it twice, two and a half times? Then take it and do it again. Mm-hmm. Then take it and do it again. Mm-hmm. That’s 240,000. Isn’t that insane? It’s a 80,000-seat- Yeah. stadium. I think, I’m pretty sure. Don’t check me on that. I think it’s 102 standing room only or something. Okay. Yeah. Um, but most of our orders are 600 of this, 1,200 of that. And we like it that way. Yeah. You know? Um, but anything below 5,000 pieces is considered small batch, and if you’re doing small batch production, it’s China or bust. China 0 China or nothing. Yeah. Okay. So, when it comes down to that, um, you’ve made the process of, it’s 120 days, we’re going through this process, I want to make something special for you, 600 pieces. Is that your, kind of your float number? 600 pieces? Yeah, it’s s- technically it’s 600 per style, 400 per color. Okay. So if we do a puff jacket, you know, and we’re just doing black, we gotta make 600. But if we’re doing black and then we’re also doing like a really cool camo pattern or something that we put together, then we can do 400 and 400. Okay. But it’s all sizes mixed together. Sizes don’t matter. Mm-hmm. What drives it, what the factories care about- So the first time ever? Say again? For the first time ever. Dude, don’t even get me started. Um, what drives it is fabric yardage- Yeah. and how many units can get pushed through the sewing line- Okay. before they have to reassemble the sewing line for the next garment. Okay. So you can switch out the colors many times. So, ar- arbitrarily, 400 is what you’ve come up with. It could potentially be 250, 250. I mean, physically, you could make one, you know? But it’s gonna be about a $3,000 puff jacket. Right. A lot of it’s driven, um, by the factories. Mm-hmm. You know, these factories, you meet a factory, there’s always negotiations. Like, “Hey, what are your MOQs? What are your payment terms? What are your lead times? “Yeah. And they answer over here knowing that you want to be over here, and then there, you’re gonna land somewhere in here. Mm-hmm. You know? So, um, it’s pretty standard to do 600 pieces per style per color. Um, our factories play ball with us and do 400 if it’s multiple colors. Mm-hmm. But they also know that there’s gonna be times where, you know, we’ll make something for CrossFit and it’s 5,000 pieces. Mm-hmm. You know? So, um, they take the good with the bad. Yeah. You’ve made relationships, you can squeeze out some of those pieces. Yeah. I can call in favors. Mm-hmm. Like, uhI- How d- how does it sound when you call a favor in over there? Uh, dude. I almost just went too far. Um, it’s just me being really polite and politically correct- Yes. and friendly. Yes. Um, and, no, it’s, like for example, one of my, one of my buddies, his son- You almost got canceled. Dude, you just watched my filter kick in. Like, you should write down the date and the time. Like, it’s very, like you have to put a camera in my face and a microphone- I saw it. almost in my mouth to get my filter to kick in. I saw a little steam come out. Yeah, yeah,Yeah. Um, one of my buddies, his son has a disability and they have a foundation for his disability. Mm-hmm. And to h- if you guys want to check it out, it’s Luke 18:1 Foundation. Um, but one of the things that they wanted to do is have a Luke 18:1 cut-and-sew clothing line that they could sell and use the proceeds of it to donate to, uh, Cure SMA- Mm-hmm. which is the, the major foundation- Mm-hmm. in the, in the SMA world. And their foundation, Luke 18:1 Foundation, is actually the number one contributor to SMA, and they’ve made massive strides, like directly caused by Luke 18:1- Mm-hmm. um, in early, um, testing of, testing for and, um, diagnosis of- Mm-hmm. uh, SMA in babies. Anyway, long story short, with that one, I call the factories and I’m like, “Hey, listen. Here’s the deal, you know? Like, we, we want to do 100 pieces. “Mm-hmm. “And it’s for a friend and it’s for a good cause. I just need you to hook me up. “And th- and they do. Mm-hmm. Yeah. But if I was to call in for every customer and be like, “Hey, we want to make 300 pieces of this,” they’d, they’d tell me to pound sand. know? Have you noticed that over there they, um’cause I’ve spent a lot of time in China in factories and debating back and forth with, uh, the, the workers that are there, or the translators, or the engineers that I’m talking to at the time. Um, you ever notice that they say no, no, no, no until you say, “Look, I know this works. I just need you to do this”? And then when they finally end up doing it, they’re like, “Oh, yeah. It r- really worked well. “So. I got a lot of that, I got a lot of that early on when I- Yeah. when I was just starting to identify and negotiate with factories over there. Mm-hmm. But I think, in my, in my case, it was driven by, like, the, the difficulty in the negotiation was driven by the fact that they could sniff me out. Mm-hmm. They knew I was a wet-behind-the-ears greenhorn- Mm-hmm. when it came to overseas manufacturing. I wasn’t asking the right questions. I didn’t know the lingo, I didn’t know how to ask for DDP terms instead of FOB terms. I just didn’t- Mm-hmm. once you kind of get into a swing and you know what questions to ask these factories- Mm-hmm. they can tell. Yeah. They can tell, they can tell who’s legit and who’s not. Yeah. You know? Um, so not that you weren’t legit- Yeah. but like, we’re at a, at a point where like, when we r- we don’t really bring on many new factories anymore. Mm-hmm. Um, we’ve got really good relationships in place- Yeah. for pretty much every product category. Mm-hmm. Plush was the newest, and we, we teamed up with a really, really good factory for plush. Um-But, yeah. I noticed that if they can tell that you know what you’re doing- Yeah. then the negotiation gets a lot easier. We, uh, we went over there. Do you ever notice that they, they, when they negotiate at the table with you, and they’ll talk to you in English, and then when they turn to negotiate between each other, they, they go, uh, speaking Mandarin? Mm-hmm. That’s what my parents did with German. Yeah. So I’ve asked them several times not to do this. Right? And they were like, “Oh, this is just, you know, us having a conversation. It’s easier for us. “Okay. And so, what me and a, another friend of mine that used to go there with me would do, uh, was as they would start negotiating against us in, in Mandarin, he and I would turn to each other and start talking in Spanish. Mm. Very few words that we even knew. Yeah. And we’d look. Oh. Donde esta la biblioteca? Yeah. El bano cerveza por favor. Yeah, yeah. You know, and they’re like, “Whoa, whoa. What are you doing? “You’re like, “Oh, you’re, you’re talking in Mandarin. We’re negotiating back and forth in Spanish. “And they were like, “Okay, nobody does that. “Yeah. “We all talk in English. “And it was a, it was a really good way to kind of level set, right? Yeah, that makes sense. We didn’t know anything of anyWe couldn’t have said but about 5 more words- Yeah. to come out of this. But we caught them in enough time. Yeah. Why did they keep saying burrito-over and over? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so- Yeah, that’s a cool tactic, man. Yeah. For sure. So, um, that’s a tip for the wise. You go over there and negotiate, use it. It’s a good one. Yeah, speak Spanish. Speak as many words as you know. They hate that. You’ll get a great deal. Yeah. And if you don’t know that, do some French and go, “Ha, ha, ha, oui, oui” a couple times. And maybe, maybe they’ll buy it. Who knows? Um, can I say something- No. that in the right context I think is not something you’ll have to edit out? Hit me. So, first time landing in China, 2012. Edit that. Can’t say 12. Um, I get in the cab and I’m with a guy that, umReally good dude that had a lot of experience working in China. Mm-hmm. And he and I are working. I landed this project for Street Fighter, the video game. Mm-hmm. That chess set that I showed you. All you can give. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. UmAll you can give? Oh, the hadouken thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on, man. Hadouken. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Um, we’re sitting in the cab and he knows, he’s, he’s about 10 years older than me and he’s, he knows a lot about China. Yeah. And he’s helping me source the materials and the factories for this project. And the cab driver starts talking on the cellphone. And I f- I keep thinking that I’m hearing him say the N word, soft A. Mm-hmm. Just randomly throwing it in. Oh, I’m with you. Right? Yeah. And then we get to the factory and I’m, and the factory people are doing it. Just, they’re talking to each other and just, they’ll just randomly throw in a soft A N-word. Yeah. And I finally look over and I’m like, “Dude, crazy? Are these people “And he’s like, “Oh, no. It’s a verbalized pause. “Yeah. Like when we say um or uh. Yes. They say that. I, I remember this. And I was like, “What the f- what is going on here? “But yeah, threw me for a loop for sure. Yeah, same thing happened to me and I was pretty wide-eyed on that scenario. Yeah. And I was like, “I, I didn’t know. “You know? But we all have to ask the question and- Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don’t know where that comes from. Well, that’s crazy. Um, you know, and speaking of, you know, it’s like, you having to travel so far to get to these places, it’s almost like you’re goingI thought you were going to the moon. Have you ever noticed like, you know- Do you think we landed on the moon? Yeah, yeah. I do. Do you think we did? I do. Okay. Yeah. Uh, not to like, chase a squirrel, but- Yeah. Hit it. There’s an episode of the Danny Jones podcast- Mm-hmm. that any moon landing conspiracy theorists should check out. Yeah. Where he has Bart Sibrel. Mm-hmm. Who is basically, like, the leading voice in the moon landing skeptic community. Mm-hmm. Um, who ironically was, like, a giant NASA fan as a kid. Mm-hmm. And had, like, a shrine for the astronauts and lovedA- anyway. And then he starts uncovering all of this, quote unquote, evidence about how we didn’t land on the moon and he flip flops and he hasGosh, I wish I remembered the astronaut’s name. But he has one of the Apollo 6 astronauts on the episode with him at the same table. So you got Bart Sibrel sitting there saying, “You’re a liar. You didn’t land on the moon. “And then you have this basically, like, cute old man astronaut that’s, like, blowing It up, and he’s like, “What? “Yeah. “Yes, we did. “Yeah. You know? And it’s just them debating back and forth. And he’s- Yeah. And he’s, the astronaut’s a little older so his, I don’t, I don’t think his- Faculties? he’s quite as sharp as he probably was in his youth, but, um, it’s a really interesting episode. Anyway, yes, I do think we landed on the moon. I have a buddy that, uh, is completely, I don’t know, uh, he’s had a- had a few too many times with the old crooked cigarette which causes him to, you know, over theorize everything. What’s the crooked cigarette? Is that weed? Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. Smoking too much. paranoia and theories and conspiracy theories come out all the time and I’m just like, “It’s- it’s too much, dog. “Like, “Relax. “Yeah. Um, but- The problem with conspiracy theories is that if one of them is true, you start believing all of them are true. All of them. And so everyone’s out to get you. They’re always, it’s always a- always a trick. And I’m not saying there aren’t things that conspiracy theories. I’m get that, but everything can’t be, right? Here’s one that Let me finish this and then we finish this and you hold- Oh, I’m sorry. Hold that. Hold that. Yep. So we hadHe always talks about the moon landing being fake, fake, it’s fake, fake, fake, fake or whatever. Yep. And I had, uh, one of the guests that we had on actually worked at NASA and he had some of the, um, documents and things that he could show us about how, what did happen or whatever. And he’s, and my other guy was, like, dismissing. So he said the other day, “Hey, there’s some new stuff that come out. There’s some other countries that are now launched, uh, satellites up there and they’ve-” Yeah. ” taken pictures and they see our equipment is still on the moon. “And our footprints, dude. Yeah. And so he was like, “What do you do with this? “Yeah. “You know, this is not other, this is not us even faking these photos. These are other countries that are putting these out there. “Yeah. So, and he’s like, “If, don’t you think that Russia would have tried to debunk this so heavily if”I mean, they, it was so competitive back then. Don’t you think they debunked it? So you know how conspiracy theorists have an answer to everything? Yeah. Right? Because if- if there’s a hole, you gotta fill it in. Yeah. Right? So I’ll tell you what, and I- I learned this from k- not going down the rabbit hole, but, like, peeking into the rabbit hole after- Mm-hmm. listening to that episode. Mm-hmm. But you’re right. Like, China had, um, non-manned missions that photographed the moon- Yeah. and you can see our freaking footprints. Yeah. You know? Mm-hmm. And was, that was frustrating on that Danny Jones podcast because the footprints never really came up. Yeah. Which to me is the most rock hard evidence. Mm-hmm. You know? But what a conspiracy theorist would tell you is that-we are being, uh, blackmailed- Mm-hmm. because China knows we didn’t go. Russia knows we didn’t go. All these countries know we didn’t go and they’re blackmailing us. And in order for them to be able to continue blackmailing us, we can’t be outed. That’s legitimately what they would tell you. S- The one piece of evidence that I think is interesting is the Van Allen radiation belt. Mm-hmm. You familiar with that? Mm-hmm. Okay. So allegedly there’s, uh, I mean, I’ve been making clothes since I was 24 and I was a B student so- But allegedly there’s a- an- a ro- a belt of radiation s- outside of the Earth in betw- so, like, it goes Earth, International Space Station, Van Allen radiation belt, moon. And this Van Allen radiation belt is a belt of radiation that if you travel through it, it’s basically like being exposed to 50 bajillion X-rays and you’re just, you’re dead. You’re dead. Right? And there are, there are recordings of modern day NASA employees and astronauts talking about how before we can go back to the moon, we have to figure out how to traverse the Van Allen radiation belt. So there’s- there’s some pretty compelling evidence that it’s like, “Huh. That’s interesting. “Mm-hmm. yeah. No. All things, like, putting all evidence on both sides of the scale- Mm-hmm. I think we win. Just put a mirror up there and reflect it. Yeah. You know? Yeah. It’s pretty easy. Don’t think about it. Makes sense. Psh. Don’t have to think about it. But speaking of the moon, do you think there’s aliens? I thinkI don’t know if they’re on the moon, but I think there’s absolutely aliens. Like, do they look like us or are they like this- this one that we’ve all conjured up that’s on Area 51? I think, I think there’s probably both. I think thatSo if you zoom out and look at the universe- Mm-hmm. and you think about the fact that just in our galaxy, just in the Milky Way- Yeah. there are hundreds of billions of stars with planets orbiting them- Okay. and then there are hundreds of billions of galaxies like the Milky Way in the known universe- Mm-hmm. and a lot of these stars have planets orbiting them in what’s called the Goldilocks zone. Mm-hmm. Right? Which is the appropriate distance from your sun to have liquid water. I think that it’s pretty much a mathematical certainty that there’s life out there in ways that we can’t even imagine. Do you think they’re smarter than us? I think there’s ones that are smarter than us. I think there’s organisms out there that are dumber than us. I think there’s people more advanced, less advanced. I think there’s, I think everything, it’s just- There’s always gotta be someone’s the top though. Yeah. It’s not us. You don’t think it’s us? Dude- How far down s-what are the odds- How-what are the odds that our little rock has the supreme intelligent species, you know? Well, it’s gotta be somebody. Yeah. I’m just saying, do you think we’re at the bottom of the rung or we’re at the top of the rung? I don’t think we’re at either. I think that the bottom of the rung is probably planets that just have, like, bacteria or something on them. Okay. You know? And then the top of the rung is people that have mastered relativity to bend space and time and travel from point A to point B instantaneously and manipulate gravity and da da da da. I sound- They’re the- they’re the ones that are either- I’m going full nerd on you now. They’re either X-Men- Yeah. or they’re in Area 51 right now. Yeah. Well, there’s a lot of theories that the grays that you hear about. Mm-hmm. No, I don’t know what that is. The grays, like the little tiny gray alien dudes with the big old black eyeballs. Oh. Yeah. And, um, that they’re us from the future. Oh. Because as the human race progresses, the need for us to be big beefy men and all that stuff goes down as our intelligence goes up and- We need to be able to see better now. you know, larger craniums, smallYeah, maybe there something happens with theWho knows? But there’s- Yeah. I’m not saying I believe that, but I, I think it’s fun. Do you believe it? I think it’s a fun theory. Um, I don’tDude, I don’t know what the hell I believe. I believe that I’m too dumb to know. You’re okay with that? I’m okay with that. I’ve made peace with that. Do you think if something made it all the way to Area 51 and it gotwe caught it,If it’s so smart, if it’s so much further ahead of us in intelligence and gravity-defying, you know, everything and time travel, why, why do we have it? How could we catch it? Could be a gift. Think it’s a gift. They sacrifice themselves to come to us. So, there’s a lot of technology that got released right after World War II- Mm-hmm. like the transistor radio. Yeah. Like, there’s a lot of technology that came out of nowhere. Like, you see this big technological jump-in humanity right after Roswell. Mm-hmm. Right? Um, and it could be some dumb teenager alien crashing a spaceship- Yeah. or it could be a gift, or it could be neither. It could be fake. I have no idea, dude. Mm-hmm. I have no idea. But there are people out there that will tell you that we have been deliberately gifted technology by other- Species. not species, but other life forms,I don’t know. That seems, uh, convenient. Yeah. You know what I mean? I mean, honestly, like AI is coming out now. Fiber optics is another one. Think about, think about AI- Yeah. for a second. Yep. We are going to ramp exponentially in the next few years, right? Yep. We’re writing things faster. We’re concepting faster. We’re getting executables faster. This thing is going to completely ramp up. I mean, i- it’s, it’s not, it’s not just a hockey stick. It’s almost a reverse hockey stick. It’s so, it’s so straight up, it’s a skyscraper. But are s- is someone going to look back in time and go, “Look, that’s when the aliens showed up. “Do you think they just got smart all of a sudden? Man,I think that there’s gonna be a lot of things that we look back about with AI and regret. Mm-hmm. And I think there’s going to be a lot of things that we’re glad we either did or allowed to have happen. Mm-hmm. But I, I have no idea. Give me one regret. Um, I think it’ll depend onWhether or not we regret the replacement of humans will depend upon what humans end up doing- Mm-hmm. with their free time. Yeah. You know, like if it’sUm, but then you never know, dude. Like, there w- there was something about how like AI was gonna completely take over- Yeah. radiology and eliminate all radiologists. Mm-hmm. Right? It wasI heard this from another podcast. This isn’t my original thought, but I found it interesting. Um, they were expecting that with AI analyzing X-rays and different imaging and whatnot, that radiologists would become obsolete. Mm-hmm. Well, since AI, the number of radiologists has actually increased. Mm-hmm. And they’re saying that it’s because the radiologist job is not to analyze images, it’s to diagnose disease. And by using AI as a tool to make the image analysis part of their job more efficient, they’ve been able to focus more on the other element. So, I don’t know. I mean, who knows? I didn’t answer your question, did I? No, you just- Hit me with it again. I don’tYou for- you made me lose it- I’m sorry. in a portal right there. I don’t even know where I went with that. I’m sorry. I think there’s a mini abduction just now, dude. I just- You got abducted. snapped back and I was like, “Where are we at? What happened? “Where have you been for the past 4 hours? don’t know, I was in Roswell, I think Yeah, all right. But, um, but no, as I, as we start going through that, like, I think the AI is going to really ramp us up. It’s gonna take us to a different location technology-wise than where we’re at now. I mean, think about, uh, you remember the dogI don’t even know, what’s that thing called, August, that MIT put out, the robot? Know what I’m talking about, the robot dog that’s gonna be the pack mule or what? Yeah, I’ve seen it, but I don’t know the name. The Mule, maybe? I don’t know what it’s called. We’ll call it The Mule. Yeah. That thing, over the past 15 years, pretty close to looking the same of what it is, right? Mm-hmm. You get to seeing this little droidesque thing in 2023 or 2024 that almost looks humanoid, kinda walking around and people are pushing it, it’s falling down and breaking and things like that, right? Yeah, yeah. In one year, this new thing looks like a- Ninja. ninja. This thing is running around, it has balance and it’s- Yeah. See the guy front kick it in the chest- Yes. and it doesn’t fall over? It looks like- Yeah. a human doing the things humans do. And I’m like- Yeah. “Well, all right. We had 15 years of mule. “Mm-hmm. You know, still with the backwards knees, kinda running around and- Yeah, like the police dog thing-can’t jump on a-the bomb sniffer dog and all that. Yeah. Can’t jump on a pole, it falls down, or can’t traverse the, the smallest things. Right. And then all of a sudden, it ramps up and, and right after AI comes out, it ramps up into this? Yeah. Like, this thing is drastically gonna change the universe, our universe, whatever. Oh, it’s gonna completely change the way we exist. Yeah. ‘Cause you’re gonna have the, the, the hardware, right, which is the humanoid robots- Yeah. and, and non-humanoid robots and all that stuff. Yeah. And then you’re gonna have their software, which isYou know. I mean, we look at ChatGPT and- Yeah. Grok and all those now, and it’s like- Mm-hmm. It’sWe’re gonna look back at that in a year and be like- Yeah. “Those were, like, frickin’ tablet and chisel and hammer. “Mm-hmm. You know? Do you remember when you were a kid and you felt likeLike, I was born in the ’70s, so when we were going through life, we did whatever we want and there was no capture of this thing whatsoever, right? There was nothing on video. There was no, like, no one telling on you ’cause they didn’t catch you and do whatever. It was your word versus word, right? Then all of a sudden, the phone came out and it wasEverything was captured, right? Mm-hmm. Then all of a sudden, AI came out and they’re making videos of people that don’t even really exist saying a story for somebody else. Yup. Now all of a sudden, can you imagine what our kids inBy the time they get to our age are gonna be like? Man, when I was your age, all we had was video of people capturing stuff. Now you have AI and all these systems out there that are recording every move from your phone to- Yeah. these new sensors that are out and everything, and they know where you’re at. You can’t even think a certain way- Yeah. without it being captured. You know? Especially when you start doing the chip in the brain. Yeah. Yeah, man. I think that that is, thoughYou hit on one thing. I think that that is gonna be one of the saving1, one of the silver linings of AI is that because of the fact that you can’t go on Instagram or TikTok or whatever and know what the hell is real anymore- Yeah. I’m hoping that people just lose interest. Yeah. You know? That it may, it may lead to the death of the infinite scroll of, “Oh my God, can you believe this? “”And can you believe that? “No, you can’t believe this- No. or believe that. You know? So, like, maybe people justBecause of the fact that they don’t know what’s real and what’s not anymore, maybe they’ll just lose interest and live their- Yeah. lives through their- Yeah. eyeballs, you know? Yeah, but I think even that isDo youWhat’s real and what’s not, depending on what news channel you watch- Yeah, for sure. is, it is really just sponsored ads by whatever- Yeah. influence they wanna put out there, right? Yeah. You, you think it’s real news. Watch this news channel, they’re gonna tell you one spin of it. Watch this news channel, they’re gonna tell you the exact same thing from the other spin of it. And they’re both owned by the same entity. And the same thing happened in 2 people, but they just wanna tell a story based upon who’s paying their bills. Yeah. Right? It’s such trash. Yeah. You know? So the truth has never really been there, to be quite honest. Yup. You know? And so now it’s happening in social media and videos, and people are believing it. You’re just not gonna trust anything- Yeah. to be quite honest. You’re gonna watch it andmean to dumb this down or anything, but, you know, the transfer portal, portal for college sports is out, right? Mm-hmm. And there’s all of these things that are coming out through social media of, “Oh, so-and-so’s gone here,” or, “They landed here,” or, “They did this,” or whatever, and you click on it and it’s just lies. It’s all lies. Yeah. And people are using it to get you to click on things and chase down their rabbit hole- Yeah. and spend time on their website and generate money for themselves and whatever, so no matter what it is, it’s just gotten to the point where it is- Yeah. you know, false. Yeah. And my hope is that that frustration leads people to just lose interest. You know? That would be nice. In, in social. What do you, what would you switch your interest into? Going outside, playing with a stick? I mean, your, your, your, the actual life that you’re living, right? Yeah. The people that you care about and- Yeah. your friends and your family and your employees and, um, whatever your widget is, whether it’s merch or creative work or- Yeah. know, the things that are tangible and real thatI mean, dude, we’re not designed to know what’s going on in every single section of the planet at all times- Mm-hmm. and be fed, like, all the negative news that’s happening everyLike, we’re designed justI mean, we are living in 2025 with this same hardware, the same organic hardware in our brains that we had 1,000 years ago. Hm. You know? Like, we’re, we’re tribal creatures. Hm. We’re supposed to know, like, 500 people, like- Well, I think, I think at the end of the day, maybe this is where the little green men come in. Maybe. We’re, we’re maybe not built that way, but we will be- Yeah. when our brains become oversized, then all of a sudden we need to see more. Maybe the black eyeballs in those little aliens is because it’s to help with the screens. Yeah. Maybe they are screens. Maybe they’re built-in screens. Maybe they’re built-in screens. Maybe that’s what they are. Yeah, I don’t know. May just need sunglasses. I say live, liveCreate the, create the bubble that you wanna live in and then live in that bubble. Yeah. You know? And I’m not saying necessarily, like, shield your eyes from everything that’s happening in the world, but the challenge for me is, like, you know, you create your home and your company and your family and your circle of friends- Mm-hmm. and focus on that, but you also have to kind of be aware of what’s going on because of theYou know, something might creep in on your circle- Yeah. that you’ve created, you know? Like, whether it’s cultural or-or whatever, um, that becomes a threat, you know? So, I don’t know. It’s tough. Yeah. Speaking of the aliens, you know the, um, it’s the visual that you always see of, like, the alien in the spaceship- Mm-hmm. and then the beam of light’s coming down? Yeah. And it’s always picking up a cow. Yeah. Why a cow? man. I don’t know. Um. I’d have to give that some thought. I’ve never thought about that but yeah, it is always picking up a cow. It’s always a cow. You see those posters and all that. Um, maybe something to do with anatomy of mammals and cows are justWho knows, dude? I don’t know. The main food supply? Have you ever been cow tipping? I have been cow tipping. No you haven’t. Yes, I have. No you haven’t. Yes, I have. It doesn’t work. Okay. So you’ve tried cow tipping? I’m from the country. Do you hear this accent? I do. Okay. These things are across the street. I’m very familiar- So you’ve run full speed and shoulder rammed a cow? While they were standing there. And what happened? I turned around and had to run for my life. You know? Did it even lose balance at all? No. I smacked against it. Turned around, looked at me andYeah. And then here comes a big bull running through the deal and here I am jumping over a barbed wire fence and cutting my arm up, you know? That’s what happens. I recently learned that cow tipping is a myth. So, cow tipping doesn’t exist. Yeah. People have probably tried it, right? Yeah, when you’re 10. But like, that’s not a real thing. Yeah. Than anyone’sEveryone’s always like, “Oh yeah, my buddy, we used to go cow tipping all the time-” Yeah. ” in high school. It’s so funny-” Yeah. ” they would just fall over. “You know? Yeah. If you go on YouTube and look up cow tipping- Yeah. or anywhere on the internet, and look up cow tipping- Yeah. there’s no videos of it. Yeah. Oh. It doesn’t exist. No one’s ever done it. No one’s ever had it? You can pull out your phone right now and try to find a cow tipping video and you won’t. You know what this reminds me of? What’s that? Bigfoot. same thing. Is he real? It’s crazy how, like, all the Bigfoot stuff kind of just, all of his appearances just kind of stopped with the invention of the camera, minus the Pat- Patterson Giblet or Gimlin or whatever. The footage of the dude in the suit going like this, you know what I’m talking about? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Um. I don’t know. I mean, withSo the Bigfoot thing. Let’s say it’s real. Let’s entertain it ’cause it’s- Okay. It’s fun. It’s fun to think that that stuff’s real. How many people do you think have gone out in those woods and put thermal- Big shoes? Therm- Yeah. No, not even that. I mean, there’s obviously a lot of hoax stuff, but thermal cameras that are motion act- like, dude. Something would have been caught on camera by now. Mm-hmm. You know? and I feel that way about a lot of things. Mm-hmm. Like, everybody’s carrying around a freaking HD camera in their pocket. Like, there sh- there should be a lot more, like, “Holy crap. Can you believe this got cau-” You know? Yeah. Um, I don’t know. Well, I don’t know. I mean, to, for me, I always, always got to the point of like, where’s the carcass for the w- is there one Bigfoot that’s lived for eternity or is there, like, ton- is this a species and there’s a bunch of them and as soon as they die, they evaporate and turn into sprinkles and fairy dust or whatever? Yeah. Like, there’s no carcass whatsoever for any Bigfoot that’s ever lived? Yeah. So it’s either- Or even any skeletal or fossilized remains, really. That’s what I’m saying. So it’s either a fairy tale or it’s something from, like, Lord of the Rings type of a scenario that lives amongst us. There’s a bunch of theories. Like, some- I’ve heard that they’re time travelers. I’ve heard that they live underground. I’ve heard that theyI mean, who knows, dude? But- Do you think they stink? Can you imagine? I don’t think they stink and you know why? Because there’s soap named after them. Oh, yeah. Dr. Squatch. Bro, it’s like there’s soap out there? Why would you name your soap Dr. Squatch if doctors, if Sasquatches smell? This makes sense. Right. I’ve never thought about that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That’s deep thinking. Yeah. Uh, uh, speaking of carcasses or remains, have you heard of the tridactyl mummies? No. Hit me. So it’s like these, uhAgain, heard it on another podcast but it’s theseI’m gonna say it. They’re aliens. Mm. If, if everything that they’re saying about these things is true. 3 fingers, 3 toes. Mm-hmm. No sternum. These mummies that were found in I don’t remember where, um, but they’ve done all these scans on them and everything and they’ve got ligament. I mean, they were real creatures. Mm-hmm. Um, one of them was pregnant. They have no sternum but they have the same amount of ribs as us. Mm. Um, I find that pretty interesting. Do you think any of that could’ve been like a burial ritual, to where like, “Hey, when we go down, we take this piece, and we always take a finger, and we blah, blah, blah. “You know? And so that was their burial ritual, and then all we got now is like a bag that’s not gonna show stitches on it? They’re all between two and three feet tall when they’re adults. Well, I mean, you’ve been to China. Yeah, it’s true. Uh, I don’t know. Man, I don’t know. Um, could be grave robbers creating stuff that’s fake and piecing together- Right. organic Lego things. I- who knows? Who knows? But it’s, like I said, it’s fun. How many are there? I want to say there’s 3. Oh, okay. This is definitely a fake. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. I know. You gotta look it up. I’m gonna look it up. Yeah. Do you like how I just missed it so quickly? Mm-hmm. Just one of those. Yeah. 3? There’d be 4 if it was real. You’ve gotta have- There’d be at least 4. You’ve gotta have more than a gaggle, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, 100%. For sure. Uh, let’s see. What else do we got? Bigfoot, crime junkies. So, I started to say what’s the deal with all the women and crime junkies? Like, I’m a, I’m a little terrified of these women that justfirst, my wife’s one. Throw that out there. That watch these, you know, serial killer shows. Every show is like, “So-and-so died, and how’d they bury them, and how’d they get rid of them,” and all this other stuff. And it’s just like, “What are we preparing for? “Is this, is this directed at me? Like, am I needing to get taken care of? But then all of a sudden, I heard you say your wife doesn’t do that, but you do that. I love the true crime stuff. Hit me. I don’t know, man. There’s just something interesting about being in the safety of your home, laying on your couch, and your wife and kids are asleep, and everything’s fine, but you can kind of watch the garbage that other peopleI, I’m always fascinated by what humans are capable of in both directions. Mm-hmm. You know? Like how, like how can some people get so F’d up in the head that they do some of these things? Mm-hmm. Um, yeah. I don’t know, man. It’s, I mean, I’ve definitely heard from people, like, “If you’re able to watch a true crime show and then turn off the TV and go to bed and fall asleep like a baby, you’re a psychopath. “That’s why I don’t watch them. Yeah. But I know I’m not a psychopath. I have empathy. I mean, I think, do psychopaths know they’re psychopaths? I don’t know. I would, I would think so. Yeah. That’s, the, here’s the thing. The reason I don’t watch them is because I don’t feel some kind of way about these guys. Yeah. And it exposes me to the fact of like, all right, well, I don’t really feel like that, am I- Yeah. blah, blah, blah- Yeah. or whatever? And it’s like- Let me ask you a question. Did you wet the bed late in life? Did you enjoy playing with fire as a kid? Probably. Were you cruel to animals? Never. No, you’re good. Those are the 3. That’s like the- Okay. the triad of like the, the, the telltale signs of adult- Yeah. psychopathy, is if you were a late bed wetter, cruel to animals, and pyromania. Uh, fire’s cool. I mean- Fire’s cool. Yeah, fire’s cool. I mean, I can stare into a fire. I still love, yeah. I go to, go sit by a campfire one time, and I challenge you- But you’ve never burned someone’s house down. I challenge you to-l- look directly into a fire and not be mesmerized. Yeah. What do you think that is? Um- ‘Cause I’m the same way, dude. We have a campfire going or something, and I’m just putting wood in it and just staring at it like a zombie, watching it. Like, cool. I really love to watch the color transitions that come outside of that, and then the shapes, and I’ll just quickly like, it’s so vibrant from like section to section to section. Um, and it’s just almost dancing, you know? And it’s, uh, it’s like- Do you have those color packets in there that change the color? I have it, and I’m gonna tell you, I’m a little bougie. I mean, I have done that before. It’s really cool. I throw those- Mm-hmm. We have a, I live on a f- few acres. Again, hence the accent, right? Mm-hmm. Um, and I have 2 fire burning locations. Well, I have in my house, but outside my house. Oh, 3, I guess. I have a fireplace on the back porch. I have a fire pit. That’s gas. Mm-hmm. I’m lazy. Mm-hmm. Same. Chh, right? And I have a burn section that, if I have- Bodies, victims. if I cut my trees or all, everything. Yeah, the victims. Yeah, yeah. You know? Um, and I’ll put stuff in there and I’ll incinerate it at a very high temperature. Why’d your eyes get so big just now when you said incinerate? I was watching a couple shows- Okay. and I felt like that’s what I needed to say. Mm-hmm. Um, no, but, and, and I have those. And, and that one, we’ve thrown the color packets in, and it’s cool, right? Yeah. Um, but anyways, just watching that, I feel like I’m watching like a symphony of color orAnd it’s so, it has a sound to it. Mm-hmm. And it’s almost like it’s whispering to you. And it’s warming you. And it’s warm. Yeah. Uh, you can sit just the appropriate distance from it where it’s comfortable, right? But it’s also dangerous. Yes. And I think there’s an appeal to that too. Yeah. You’re so- It’s like you’ve harnessed something dangerous. Yeah. You’ve got, y- you are controlling something that could actually kill you. Right. Which is why I like big dogs. Yeah. You like big dogs? Which is funny ’cause I have a French bulldog, and he’s badass. I love that thing. Y- uh, he is cool. I- He’s cool, right? He is really cool, like- He’s cool. Yeah. My little dog’s cool. Yeah. Everyone else’s little dog sucks. Yeah. I have the world’s only cool little dog. You guys have seen- Umthe, the French bulldogs, and your dog is super muscled up, by the way. Yeah. Like, first off, we need to get that sucker tested for some TRT, like- Yeah. He just eats normal dog food. Sure he does, whatever. Yeah. I think it’s the steroids that I inject in him. Yeah. Yeah, it’s the steroid you inject inside of that. Yeah. Um, but at the end of the day, w- when that sucker pops up and he puts his hands up, he looks like the old man with skinny legs and a big gut. Mm-hmm. That’s exactly what he looks like. He looks probably just like you. Built like a cake pop, like his dad. Yeah. Super cool, but tell me about the big dogs. Why do you like big dogs? Same reason. Like, like I, they’reHe doesn’t exist yet, but in, let’s see, 8 years, when my younger daughter graduates from high school- Yeah. I’m getting a wolf dog. His name is Goose. I’ve already got him named, um, and that’s going to be the dog that I have while my kids are in college, and after college and before they have their own kids. Yeah. You know, who knows? I mean, you try to plan stuff, right? But- Does he have a brother named Ace? Uh, who’s Ace? Top Gun. There’s no Ace in Top Gun. There’s Ace. There’s a Ace in Top Gun, for sure. Look that up for me. Check it out, Jamie. Um, uh, if there’s an Ace in Top Gun, I will happily stand corrected, but I, I don’t, I don’t know. Um, I think that there’s something about, like you said, like having something that can kill you- Mm-hmm. that chooses not to because it loves you. Yeah. You know? I don’t think fire loves you. Like, like my wife. Like my wife. Yeah. She could kill me- Yeah. in my sleep while- Yeah. I’ve got my CPAP on. Do you wear a CPAP? And I’m, I’m holding my bread pillow. Please tell me you have a CPAP. Oh yeah, dude. Wow. You don’t have aDo you snore? Uh, I have snored- Don’t lie, dude. No, I have snored in my life before, but like if I get allergies or something like that. But I’m a stomach sleeper, so I don’t lay on my back. Okay, so yeah, yeah. Yeah, I’m a stomach sleeper, so I don’t, I don’tIf I do lay on my back, I, my wife would, “Hey, roll over. “Yeah. I’m a side sleeper and I still snore. That’s tough. Yeah. Yeah, I love my CPAP, man. It’s like, I always described it- No, it doesn’t even make any noise. Darth Vader. No, it doesn’t make any noise. Luke, my father. It’s a good fit, but it doesn’t make any noise. Yeah. What it’s like isLet me know when you’re done. Okay, there we go. Um, it’s like being in a room like this and then on the other side of that wall is like this beautiful meadow of cool, fresh air, and then you cut a little hole in the wall. Steam coming up your nose. And you put your face- Nose, you put your nose on it, it’s just likeYeah. Yeah, you put your face through the, and breathe. That’s what it feels like. Yeah. It doesn’t, it’s not like oxygen. I’m not like geriatric and dying of lack of oxygen or something. It’s just, it’s pressure, right? So like, I got a big old fat neck and it makes me snore when I go likeAnd if you push a little bit of air pressure into your nose, it keeps you from s- Push or force? Same. It keeps you from snoring. Tell you this, my wife has sworn to me up and down that the CPAP doesn’t turn her off. Of course, ’cause you’re so loud. It doesn’t turn her off, let’s be honest, right? Yeah. But what does turn her off is snoring. Yeah. Turns her, turns her off. It’s got to be crappy to lay next to a hairy beast- Does she hate you? that’s just like you know? All night long- Yeah. you’re trying to sleep and all that. Yeah. The CPAP was a great move for my marriage. Yeah, it’s like prom night for your nose. exactly. Horrible. Mm-hmm. You need a CPAP. Even if you don’t snore, get one. Why don’tYou don’t just prescribe CPAPs to everyone. I make clothes and I prescribe, prescribe CPAPs. What are you, Oprah for CPAPs? You need a CPAP, and you need a CPAP, and you need a CPAP. You get a CPAP, yeah. I love it, man. Yeah, okay. All right. So, your big hairy beast. Tell me about this. You, uh, you have big bush on your back, or what’s, what’s going on here? Uh, I actually don’t haveWell, I don’t have upper back hair. Hm. I don’t have upper back hair. I got me a nice little cabbage patch right above my tailbone. Nice. Yeah. Is it like, how long are we talking about? If you stretched it out? Yeah. An inch. Maybe a little less than an inch. That’s a lot. Yeah. That’s a lot. All right. I’d say, I’m gonna say I got a couple inches on the chest. Yeah. So yeah, maybe one inch on the back. Nice. Yeah. We just lost- You ever maintain that? everyone that was listening to this podcast. They’re like, “This is so stupid. “You maintain that? Uh, used to. Okay. You don’t, you don’t care anymore. Here’s a funny story. You don’t care anymore. Oh, I don’t care anymore. I don’t care anymore. But back in like my 20s when it was like, we’re going to a pool party, you know? It was just, yeah. Weed whacker. But- Yeah. my girlfriend, who’s now my wife, but she was my girlfriend at the time, I used to have her trim my cabbage patch- Mm-hmm. with the little clipper thingies. Trim doing the cabbage patch or- Trim, just trim. What is the cabbage patch? Is that a dance? Yeah, a dance. Come on. Is that from the ’70s? It’s from the ’90s, but yeah. Okay. I don’t remember that. Yeah. Um, but- Except from the 70sUm, so she would get clippers and justYeah, yeah. You know, all the approximately one inch long hairs that are on my lower back. Mm-hmm. Well, one time- In band camp. Mm-hmm. American pie. Um, one time she thought it would be funny, which it was, she thought it would be funny as she’s trimming my cabbage patch to just, like, zz, and just like shove it in my ass crack. CrackShe didn’t think that was funny, she was maintaining that area. Well, she was, she was messing with me and I was like- Okay. And she laughed and I laughed and we went about our lives. Yeah. 3 weeks later, I’m on a plane to San Francisco. I don’t know how muchI- I’ve already pot committed to this story. All right, let’s go. Speaker 2: Go for it. Thousands of strangers are going to hear me say this, but whatever. So I’m on a plane to San Francisco and I just can’t get comfortable, man. Like, my tailbone hurts. Yeah. And I justI’m like really ready for the plane to land and I’m like putting my weight on this side and no, I’m putting weight on thatI can’t find a comfortable spot. My tailbone is killing me. Get off the plane, stand up, feel better. Get to the hotel. I had, uhI had my creative director with me and he and I were sharing a room. Dude, look at this. Just hold on. Hold on. Okay. So I get in the hotel room and I had to use the restroom. So I go in the bathroom, close the door. I’m like, “Man, I’m gonna use the restroom real quick. “And I do my thing and I wipe and I bring my hand back around and it is drenched in blood. Yeah. And I’m like, “I’m dying now. This is the”Yeah. “This is how I die. “I’m like bleeding out into this toilet or something. Yeah. And I get up and I turn around and there’s like blood on the toilet seat, blood in the t- t- in the toilet. I’m like, “What the f-” Yeah. I’m freaking out. So yeah, I did that. Uh-huh. And he said- I went into the room and I was like, “Hey dude, listen. “”I need some help. “”I’m really sorry that I’m asking you this, but I’m not bendy enough. “”I need you to tell me what the heck is going on here, dude. I mean, just look at this. “And he’s like, he’s like- What? He’s like real quiet, like, uhHe’s like a really quiet, chill, just levelheaded, and he’s like, “All right. “That’s what he did. He’s like, “All right. “And I, like, turn around and he looks and he’s like, “You got like a giant hole in your tailbone. “I’m like, “What? “Turns out thatAnd it’s when she had went zz down into myIt created an ingrown hair- Oh. that turned into what I didn’t know about until this happened, which is called a pilonidal cyst, and I had a cyst on my tailbone. And then it exploded. You glad you asked me about my back hair? And it exploded. And it exploded. My sis- my sister called it the bl- it the black pearl. It took likeThis is what it looked like. It took like 2 months to heal. Yeah. Every time I would go to get it lanced it wasn’tAnyway, it was a long story. Yeah. But anyway. What other cool questions do you have about stuff that I can tell really personal, embarrassing stories about- How long did it take to heal from that? A couple months. Yeah? That was after they put a lightsaber in it? They were gonna, they were gonna- Luke, I am your father. Star Wars, right? It’s from the ’70s. This is back from your mask that you were wearing earlier. Do you remember that? Darksp- Darth Vader also from the ’70s. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I know those references. Yeah. I think my dad used to watch that movie. Cool guy, I bet. He’s a cool guy. Super sick. Um, let’s see. Every time I take a sip of my coffee, the condensation drips onto me. Well I was w- Yeah. It’s just like that moment you had in the restroom. first off, did you do the Ace Ventura thing where you just kind of bent over and were like, “Wa wa wa wa. Look atCan you see? Ruh ruh ruh ruh. “”Yeah, look at this. “”I’d like to ask you a few questions. “Yeah. Is that how you showed your creative director? No. It was much moreI was- You wereWere you laying on your back or standing up? If I had to describe the way I asked my creative director to look at my bleeding ass in one word, I would say apologetically. Offensive. I was like, “Dude, I’m really sorry that you have to-” I am cool. ” that I have to ask you to do this, but I need you to look at this. “I’m just about to get sued for this. Yeah. No, dude. We wereI told you about our interview process, right? Yeah. Yeah. Like, I will try to offend people out of the room to make sure that I’m not bringing in anybody that doesn’t have what’s called a gallows sense of humor. Hmm. Is that like the bottom of a ship? I think gallows are actually where they would hang people back in the day. Is it? Like, if you were being hung, you would go to the gallows. All right. Time out for a second. Hey, was there someone named Ace in, uh, Top Gun? No. about that. There’s a character named Maverick who is an ace pilot. Yeah. But one of the alternate, like one of the other guys- You’re leaning in, dude. I’m gonna find out. I’m gonna dig it out. Okay. I’m gonna trust you, but okay. What about in M- uh, Top Gun Maverick, is there an Ace in the second one? Let me look that up, sir. Cue up your next question. Yeah. And the other one is the gallows. Is that the bottom of a ship or is that- So I know this because of Anthony Jeselnik- Okay. who is one of our customers. He’s a comedian. Mm-hmm. And he has, umWe did a, we did a, I don’t remember, some sort of a product one time that used, uh, the concept of gallows humor on it. Mm-hmm. And it resonated with me ’cause it’s basically lowbrow humor. It’s like laughing at shit you shouldn’t be laughing about. Yeah. You know? So Speaker 2: No character named Ace in the new Top Gun either. You might be thinking of the galley. The galley. Is, is thereHe might have been thinkingI know what I think. I know what you’re thinking of. Look up that Jim Carrey movie, Ace VenturaThat’s what you were telling me. You were thinking of Ace. Yeah. That’s because you had the butt doing that thing. Yeah. And were you on your back when you were showing him your rear end? Uh- Or were you standing- Standing. and bending over? Yeah, yeah, bend- yeah, stand- stood and been over. Are you sure you weren’t laying on your back? I mean, dude, like imagine how pretzely I would have to get at that angle. He’d be like, “Dude, why are you doing it this way? “”Why are you doing it at thisLike, it’s so much easier if you just turn around. “Like, he’s like- “Will you look at my, will you look at my upper tailbone while I put my legs over my head? “He’s like, “There’s a black pearl right there. “Yeah. He’s like, “There’s aYeah, there’s like a hole in your tailbone, dude. “”There’s a portal right there. What’s going on? “”Oh, something just waved at me out of there. “”It’s another dimension right there. That’s, that’s another universe. “You never know. They found a universe in Uranus. Yeah. There’s life on Uranus. They found diamonds in Uranus. Yeah. What else is on our list of wacky topics- Uh-other than my- That was great. black pearl? Um, I’m gonna ask you a real serious question. Do you think spinach really did that to Popeye’s arms? No. That was debunked, wasn’t it? I don’t know. Yeah. I don’t, I don’t think spinachdon’t think it’s really that high in protein, is it? No. I think it’s like super high in iron. That’sIsn’t that what you pump to get big muscles or? It was just, you know, it was, it wa- it was propaganda from big spinach. You think a spinach company was the one that really was fronting the Popeye, let me throw some of this down? Yeah. Originally, it was probably like something high in protein. And then the spinach industry got wind that they were making the Popeye show. Mm-hmm. And they called and they were like, “Hey, listen. For $50,” which is, in today’s world is probably about $20, $25 1000000. Yeah. “For $50, we’d like to purchase the rights to be what’s in the can. “Yeah. Do you feel likeYou said the spinach industry, so you feel like there’s like a cartel for spinach? Yeah, yeah. Not the people that are actually running spinach companies, but there’s like a even higher head up there that is like, “All right, I make decisions for all spinach. “No, but I think that the, I think that the executives of the spinach companies- Got together. have an organization. A round table. Like a secret service. Like have you seen Eyes Wide Shut? Uh, maybe. It’s probably something like that. And- What was that, in the ’90s or something? I think so. Yeah. Where are you at on Nicole Kidman? Uh, what year? Nicole Kidman, Da- no, not Days of Thunder. Um, what’s the movie with her and Tom Cruise, where, uh, the land claiming movie? What are you doing with your hand? Uh, freaking Far and Away. Man, I can’t believe I found that in there. You’re so good. That’s been in there, dude, untouched- Under the deck. Under the deck. for years and years and years with cobwebs all over it. Mm-hmm. Yeah. That’s AI right there. Yeah. Just- OI. That’s OI? Yeah. Yeah. Organic Intelligence. Um, man, my sister and I watched that movie. Yeah. Like every day for like a week- Yeah. when we got it on VHS. I thought she was a super baddie for a hot minute. And I’ve seen her in a couple of things here lately where I just kind of felt- Talking about my sister? Hmm, yeah. Um- Hey, shout out. WhatWell, I mean, nowadays she’s, you know- Your age. she’s less young- Your age. than she once, once was. Yeah. Yeah. How old is she? She’s got to be in her mid to late 50s, right? Yeah, probably. Yeah. Um, but yeah, no, I mean, honestly, like, uh, yeah, I give a thumbs up. What do you think? Yeah. What’s interesting is when you see her like in an interview, she’s like crazy shy and silly. Mm-hmm. Yep. But then her characters are all like these crazyI, I find that interesting. Mm-hmm. That she’s so good at portraying like a crazy confident- Mm-hmm. assertive, angry, borderline mean character. But in real life, she’s like the giddiest, sweetest little thing in the world. Yeah. I think that’s cool. When you were a kid, who did you have a super crush on? Hm. You ready? Sarah Jessica Parker. Hmm. Hocus Pocus. Horse face. That scene where she’s on the broomstick and she’s singing that<< Come little children ♪ ♪ I’ll take ♪ ♪ the highway ♪ You know, you know what I’m talking about. Uh, no, I don’t. Was that Hocus Pocus? What, where we watching here? Yeah, dude. Hocus Po-You’re not American? How do you not know- Man-every single word of Hocus Pocus? because I’m not 5 years old, Hocus Pocus? Yeah. Seriously, like, there’s only, like, 6 years in between us, but I feel like it’s a lifetime. Probably,Hocus Pocus wasn’t on the radar. That was for- Really? That was for children. Well, yeah- And girls. Yeah, it’s for children and people who have children and want their children to see good stuff that- Oh, Hocus Pocus isn’t it? Hocus Pocus is, like, the best Halloween movie of a-Well, hold on. Come on now. Hocus Pocus is the best- Rewind all that. non-horror Halloween movie ever made. Is that a O-R on the end of that? Whore, oar. W-H-O-R-E-O-R. Thanks for patting me. No. Uh, yeah, man. You’re on- No. You’re on an island here. No. Yes, you are, dude. No, I’m not. Your whole audience right now is like, “What isI thought I liked this guy. “And then he says- “He’s not a Hocus Pocus fan. “Talking about you, and he said Sarah Jessica Parker, and everybody’s like, “Neigh,” colt. Um, hopefully Sarah Jessica Parker’s not watching, dude. Can you imagine- I love you. how hurt her feelings would be? I love you. I’m sorry about that and I love your husband and- Uh, but I remember that was, thatWatching that scene was the first time that I was like, “Wait a second. What is this feeling? “Yeah. I was likeLet’s see, I’m gonna b-Say, I’m gonna pull this out of the air, but- Yeah. let’s say it came out in ’93. Yeah. I was 10. Yeah. Right? And I remember watching that and just being, like, infatuated. ‘Cause, you know. Go back and watch this scene and tell me it wouldn’t have done it for you, okay? All right. I’ll check it out. I’ll check it out. What an oddahead. You were right on, ’93. Is it ’93? ’93. Yeah, and the Oracle also confirms that it’s a good movie. Thank you. So- Thank you. Man. All right. What other movies do you hate? UmYou don’t like Braveheart, do you? I actually love Braveheart. Braveheart’s my, still, like- Yeah. top 5. All right, let’s go top 5 on this deal. Ooh, okay. You go one, then I’ll go one. Are we going nostalgia, or are we going- No, you goIt’s your top 5. You do what you want. Okay. Um, Braveheart. my turn. Stop. The 6th Sense. Yeah, that’s a good one. It’s aI don’t know that that would go top 5 Go. with the 6th And I don’t, I don’t argue mine. I’m telling you it’s great. Maybe top 6. 6, 7, you know? 6. Yeah, it’s 6 or 7 for sure. Um, Saving Private Ryan. Good movie, way long. Not top 5. I always do my top 5. Fight Club. Oh, yeah. Fight Club’s great. Mm-hmm. You don’t know where I’ve been. Yeah, that’s a great movie. Yeah. Um, now mine start to get a little wonky ’cause I think there’s some nostalgia. They’re already been wonky. Not really. They’re, they’re pretty run-of-the-mill, like, gen- m- generat-What am IAm I Generation X or Millennial? You’re a Millennial. Millennial. It actually stops a year after me, soOkay. All right. Um, Back to the Future II. Again, this audience, you can see that there’s some holes in this guy’s personality personally. I mean, look, it’s not Schindler’s List. It’s not Taxi Driver. It’s not One Flew Over. I said Fight Club. It’sYeah, but, like, if you talk to, likeIf you were to just put Martin Scorsese sc- sc- beh beh beh- Uh-uh. Scorsese in the room with us right now and be like, “What are the best 5 movies ever made? “He’s not gonna name any of the movies we’re talking about. Field of Dreams. You’re gonna give me all this shit then say Field of Dreams? Field of Dreams, dog. You like it. I mean, that’s a goodIt’s a really good, solid 7 movie-that I enjoyed watching. If you build it, he will come. Yeah. I knowAnd I mean, I know the movie, um-I’m surprised- You said your finger was a gun. I’m surprised it’s in your top 5. It’s amazing. Um, I think the movie that probably had the biggest impact on me as a kid- Mm-hmm. besides Hocus Pocus, was Jaws. Hm. ’75, I think. All right. I’ll give you Jaws. Jaws is a good one. Um, Jaws, we wa-My sister and I both watched way too young. Yeah. I was probably five, and she was 7. Mm-hmm. And my dadMy mom was, like, out of town for the weekend or something. Check it. So he’s like, “Hey, let’s put this PG. “‘Cause it’s PG, dude. Yeah, yeah. Dude gets bit in the hand: Chomp, chomp, chomp, chomp, chomp, yeah. And he’sIt’s PG. Yeah. Um, yeah. We didn’t swim forDude, she would get freaked out in the bathtub. Like, she still to this day- Mm-hmm. She’s 44. Mm-hmm. I guarantee you if you were to put her by herself in a swimming pool at night with no light on- Mm-hmm. she’d freak out- Yeah. because of that movie. Jaws is in there? Mm-hmm. I was getting it, so we just built a pool in our backyard- Flex. andNo big deal. It’s got water in it and everything. Um, but- Saltwater or chlorine? It’s a mix. What? Yeah, it’s a mix. I said give me the worst of both worlds. Um- Okay. So, but we were gonna do, like, to, to, likeThe grand opening of the pool at the Graham house- Yeah. was gonna be my wife and daughters and I each get a raft. Mm-hmm. And we were gonna put on Jaws at night- Mm-hmm. and watch Jaws. Like, the Alamo Draf-Is it Alamo Drafthouse that does that in Austin? I have no idea. TheyThere’s some big ass thing on a lake where they have, like, a big watch party where it’s at night, and everybody’s in a raft, and they watch Jaws, and apparently, it, like, just completely- People are scared. amplifies the- Feeling. fear of it. Yeah. Um, but then I decided not to do that ’cause it would be a terrible parenting decision. My kids would never want to go in the water at the beach. Um, it was like, “Oh, I was, I was scarred, uh, as a child. Let me, let me do the same scarring to you. “You- It would’ve been a fun movie night- Uh-huh. but not worth. You could have done it at the house in the pool though. That’s what I’m saying- Oh, okay. that’s what we were gonna do. I thought you were saying you were going to the lake. Oh, you wanted to duplicate that. I see what you’re saying. Okay. Yeah, at the, at, at our pool. That would’ve been cool. Yeah. That would’ve scarred them. It’s a- Yeah. swimming pool. Come on, man. The movie would have scarredHm. Sometimes- That little kill, little Alex- Sometimes you need some scars. Kintner boy gets eaten and- He had it coming. Dude, he was a little shit. Yeah, man. Yeah. Can’t act like that. They should have written his character to be a lot- Sharks know. less annoying. Yeah. You know? true. Yeah. Um, I’m going to go, uh, Primal Fear? Look up Ed Norton. Yeah. Primal Fear. Primal Fear. Richard Gere. Bro, I’m telling you- Laura Linney. that is when I fell absolutely head over heels- In love with Ed Norton. Yeah. Dude, that dude can play any role. He is so great. And that’s nothing against Denzel, Denzel Washington. He’s done his thing, but he’s every actor is the same role in every single one. He’s a badass. He goes through and shoots people and punches them and comes up. You know, there’s like 19 different movies where he’s the exact same guy. Denzel? Denzel. Hey, Gladiator 2, awful Denzel character. okay. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, you’re right. Um, but then all of a sudden Ed Norton comes out and he’s in, uh, Fight Club. He’s in American History X. He’s in Primal Fear. All different actors, all completely different actors, you know? And it’s to the point where you go, “Oh yeah, that guy. Oh yeah, it’s completely different. “Yeah. I love the fact that he could shape-shift, and that to me was very impressive for someone who is not a one trick pony. Yeah. No, I would say Ed Norton is probably one of the most versatile actors of our generation. Yeah. For sure. A- American, his, his role in American History X- Yeah. was mind-blowing, dude. Yeah. He turns around when the cop, after he curb stomps that dude- Yeah. and he turns around and looks at the cop and he’s like, like smiling and psycho looking, kind of like you- Yeah. when you said, uh- Yeah. When heStop, dude. It’s freaking me out. What was the word you said? Inferno or something with fire? Incinerate. Incinerate. Yeah. Thank you. UmOkay. You, I’ve made it to three and you’ve still only made it to 2, soI made it to 3. Okay. What’s next? Um,I would say the next ones are, there’s like 50 of them that could go in. UmYou got nothing? going to skip you. The Green Mile. Green Mile is a great movie. Green Mile is a really good movie. Mm-hmm. It’s super depressing though. Um, Forrest Gump. Hm. I love Forrest Gump. It’s a good one. It’s a good one. yeah. Really is. Are you going to do an impression? No, I just felt so sorry for him that he just wanted his whole life to be with this chick and then she comes back when she’s got a kid to drop in his lap and AIDS, you know? It’s like, “Yeah, now you can get it. “Yeah. “Go ahead. “Yeah. “One time and I’ll see you later. I’m dead. “Mm-hmm. And you might die from it. “You’re probably gonna die from this. “Yeah. You know? tragic, tragic deal. But I guess he had everything go right in his whole life that- Yeah. that one moment that he gambled. Yeah, he really got dealt a strong deck of cards, didn’t he? Oh, that was terrible. That was terrible. My 5th one. Mm-hmm. Friday. Oh, yeah. I mean, if you don’t love Friday. Who else wants some of Deebo? Yeah. Friday’s a great movie. That’s my bike, punk. Yeah. Yeah. “Where you going with those clubs, punk? “What name of that movie? I’m just gonna tuck mines in. That’s good. You gonna hit number 5 or are you done? UmIt’s gonna be such a freaking pumpkin spice latte- Here we go. 43 year old white dad answer. I can’t wait because this is what’s really telltale about who you are as a human being, soYeah, I mean, it’s not asIt’s Gladiator. Yeah. Yeah. Are you not entertained? Isn’t that why you’re here? Okay. Well, kind of a letdown to end it with. Yeah. That’s all right, man. I’m sorry. I didn’t know we were going movies. I would’ve had a whole like- It’s called a discussion. Yeah. I would hadI mean, Jurassic Park was a big staple for me as a kid. I’ve got a table at my office- Yeah. of movie posters of likeYou’ve seen it, right? Yeah. Mm-hmm. All the movie posters. Uh, like Snatch is up there for me. Well, you know-super vomit. it’s been Field of Dreams, but- You know? Exactly. Yeah. Great one. Where you at, where you at on Tin Cup? Tin Cup’s a good one. Look, no one, no one’s going to remember who won this- Stop, dude. years from now, but everyone’s going to remember you’re 14. You’re quoting Tin Cup? That was it, dog. Because I’m assuming that was a Tin Cw- That was a line. Tin, Tin Quip quote. That was a Tin Quip. That was it. We’ll do movies on the next one. I’ll be ready. Oh, you want to do this- If, if you’re- You want to do a part 3? if you’re having me back. I will do, dude, I’ll do a part 40 with you. Whoa!Yeah. All right. I’m down. I would love to, if you’re dumb enough to have me back here over and over. Yeah. Well, let’s see how this one does. Let’s see if this one’s even registers in our- Have we both been doing this the whole show? I hope so. Just have our feet up and flicking our little ankles around? We’re just little 12-year-olds the whole time, just kicking it around. Yeah, that’s cool. Last, last question I’m going to ask. Okay. If you could have a job where money was no object, like there’s jobs that you’ve always wanted to do. Construction. Um, let me finish. There’s jobs you’ve always wanted to do, but they didn’t pay well. Mm-hmm. OrNo, let’s just stick with that. Yeah. Construction. You’d want to do construction? Every time IDude, hell yeah. Every time I drive by a construction site, I’m so jealous of those dudes because they’re having soThey’re like cutting it up, having lunch with each other, BSing, not worrying. But here’s the thing, they don’t have emails. Hm, that’s pretty sick. They don’t have emails. That is sick. You know, they go, they clock in, they do physical labor that keeps their body in good shape. Hm. Right? Also tears them up. They can lose a hand. I’d be the construction manager-that doesn’t have an email address. That’s my answer. Yeah. I likeUh, you know what? You got some solid points in that thing right there. Yeah. Besides losing a hand or hurting your back for the rest of your life- Yeah. pretty good. I mean, I don’t want to be like building the world, or building the, uh, Empire State Building. Like that picture you see of all those dudes with their lunchboxes sitting on that beam? Mm-hmm. No thank you. I’m terrified of heights. I don’t even like getting on ladders. But like, safe construction with safe tools andI justBasically, dude, any job that doesn’t have an email address. Yeah. That’s my answer. UhI don’t know. Something thatUh, uh, there’s jobs that are really cool, but they’re highly dependent on you making money through them. Like, for example, artist or a professional golfer orLike, you don’t got to be good. Like, my job is just I go play golf every day and I don’t have to worry about winning. Yeah. You know what I mean? That golfer thing is so cliche. What’s that? Construction. Anybody from the Village People? There’s no golfer in the Village People. What areI don’t even remember. You can’t- Hey, look. There’s certain places in there I can’t even quote on or we won’t be able to play this, air this. Yeah. So. Um, it’s a cliche. I mean, I’m just saying things that are highly dependent on you being the best at it, but they would just be fun jobs if you could just do it. Yeah. Oh, you could, you could be a professional gamer, you know? I can still crush some Call of Duty, dude. Can you? Yeah. One of my daughter’s little, little friends, he was talking some Call of Duty smack. He’s 10. Yeah. So me and his dad and him played some Call of Duty and I waxed him. What’d you play? Waxed him. Uh, Modern Warfare 3. Hm. What, what was the game? Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, I’m just kidding. What was the mode? What was the mode? Uh, we did free-for-all, one-on-one. Free-for-all. Yeah. One-on-ones. Yeah. And they just handed the controller back and forth to each other. And you owned him? Yeah. It was pretty cool. Did you tell him? I don’t want to brag about it, but I mean, IThis was a 10-year-old kid and I just waxed him. Well, they’re actually pretty good, to be quite honest. Yeah. Yeah, I know. You know? So, um, I didn’t know you were a Call of DutyWell, what’s your gamer tag name? Some Old Dad. Is it really? Yeah. So that if I killAnd then, dude, I play Call of Duty, like, once a year. Yeah. Like, I had to, like, dust the cobwebs off the PS5- Mm-hmm. that, that’s been used twice. Yeah. Um- Kind of sounds like that other thing that youYeah. Yeah. Um, but I like it to say you were killed by Some Old Dad. Mine is You Want a Redo. Hm. Yeah. That’s better. Yours is better. It’s not better. It’s just different. Yeah. You Were Killed By Some Old Dude’s great. I tell you one time I was Clash of Clans and, uh, I’d been working on this for quite some time. Uh, and I’d built it all the way up to where it was like a level 10 or 11 or 12. I’m a hugeAnd we had these clans together that we were, uh, you know, you get 10 or 12 people in, you all work as a team and you take on other clans, right? Are you familiar? Yes. What did you do during all this to keep all the chicks away from you? This is when I was in China. This was- Okay. dead time out there in China and you’re,sitting in a hotel room. Mm-hmm. Um, so anyways, I built this thing up and, and, uh, you get to change your name on there. And so I’d had a few drinks and I changed my name to Meat Sword. Hm. And so it was, You Were Killed By Meat Sword, right? You know, a lot of people might have thought you were talking about something else. That’s exactly right. Yeah. And I thought it was- Like a hot dog. Okay. Well, I was, I was laughing as I was doing this the whole time, giggling. Well, my mother’s also in this clan. Your mother? Yeah, my mother is in this clan. I didn’t remember that at the time that I was doing it. She was one of 12 people that was, uh, in Clash of Clans as well. And, uh, I went to go change my name back the next day and you can’t change it. You can only change it once. And, uh, so I get a text message from my mom and she says, “What’s this about your, uh, screen name over here? “And I was like, “I’m so sorry. “Yeah. Could have been way worse than Meat Sword. Even bringing that up in front of your mother is pretty terrible. Yeah. Come on, man. Be respectful. You know, what are you doing? I’m gonna go to ve- I’m gonna venture to bet your mom’s got a pretty damn good sense of humor. She’s funny. She’s great. Yeah. Yeah, she’s probably- Yeah. okay with it. She still plays video games with my kids sometimes. Plus she knows you don’t have a meat sword down there. She knows. She knows, dude. She raised me. She- She’s like, “Hey, what’s up with this bullshit screen name? “She’s like, “Come on, man, you know better than that. “Yeah. Yeah. Vienna sausage more like it. Not meat sword. All right? You’re not fooling anybody. Oh, man. Um, yeah, she’s like, “Come on. Beanie weenies, let’s go. “Yeah. Uh, well, look, I know that you got a meeting to get to and, uh, I wanted, uh, I wanted everyone to know that this kind of went off the rails from what we normally do, but I, I really had a good time doing this and- Yeah, man. This is fun. Thank you. You guysYeah, yeah. You guys, uh, throw in the comments whether you like this style or whether you don’t, or if you just want me to get back to being serious and, uh, telling people’s dreams andSo. Dude, I bet your, I bet your whole audience is like, “Please be less fun and more serious. “Yeah. Yeah. That’s probably what they’re all thinking. They checked out a long time ago on our sending lists. They’re commenting right now, “Less fun. “Lame. Yeah. Send. I’m gonna take some real punches to the face in this one, I think. Yeah? Nah,I cussed a couple times. Sorry about that. Yeah, man. You’re better than that. Yeah. Do you, when you reflect on this when you go back home, and you’re driving home, are you- Oh, dude, the first episode, I watched it and I just- Yeah. like, w- well, yeah. I wanted to, like, bash my face against the window- Yeah. as I was watching it. We’ve almost pulled it off like 3 times, just we didn’t really want that episode on there. We were like, “This is kind of embarrassing. “Yeah. Or just have like a little thing that says, “Not loaded. Not loading. “Loading. Or something. Just a loading screen- Yeah. Just spin. the entire time. Yeah. Uh- No, but for real, thank you for having me, man. This is super fun. Yeah. Oh- Thank you. do we want to talk about the shark real quick? Oh, sure. You always have to bring something. So this is a plush toy that we made for O-Cearch, which is the brand that when you see on Shark Week when they catch a great white and lift it up out of the water on a lift- Mm-hmm. and tag its fin- Yep. and release it, that’s O-Cearch. Uh, we’ve been doing their merch for quite some time. Really good people that run it. This is the first time you got into plushes? No, we do, we do a lot of plushes for like Rainforest Cafe and stuff like that- Yeah. but this is my first time like marrying a factory. Yeah. You know, because we used to use several- Yeah. and, you know, eventually, like anything else, cream rises to the top. Yeah. And this factory’s just a really, really, really good partner. So, uh, that’s what I was saying earlier. But yeah, no, we’ve been doing plush for, uh, probably about 2 years. Maybe a year and a half, something like that. Have you ever done a full human-sized plush? No. We’re about to do a- There’s a market for that. Sasquatch for Black Rifle, their tactiswatch. Really? Tactiswatch. Really? Yeah. How big? I don’t know. Full size? Be badass, dude. Dude, just think about this. For people that- 7foot tactical tactiswatch. And I don’t, and I don’t mean to get weird. I’m not trying to get weird on this, but I’m saying for people that are just lonely and they just want like a human-sized pillow to lay next to, they could cuddle up with, you could, you could solve this problem for so many people. For sure. There’s a market for that. Yeah. 100%. Squatch the Squatch. Squatch the Squatch. Yeah. Smells good. Smells good. It’s gonna smell good. Mm-hmm. You know? All right. Well, anyways, uh, do you want to tell people where they can find you and your merch stores and, uh, I meant to get to your watch that’s really overdone, but we’ll, we’ll get to that next time. I hope you wear it again. Please wear it again because we’re gonna- I’ll wear, I’ll wear, I’ll wear it next time so that you make, you can make fun of it. I’ll make fun of that next time. Um, yeah. Website’s pinpointmerch. com. If you have a brand and you want cool stuff that isn’t boring and you don’t need it 2 weeks from now-uh, hit me up. We’d love to do some p- some stuff together. Awesome. Yeah. Thank you, man. Yeah. 100%. Man, I really appreciate you driving over here and, uh, I know that’s not a short jaunt either, so but I appreciate you coming and, and being a part of this. So- Yeah, brother. Good to know you. Thank you. Yeah. You too. Well, everybody, that’s the blueprint and so until, uh, next time, peace.